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August 23, 2006
What is up with Mark Driscoll lately?
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don't ask...read his blog and it might make sense
I read this post, Now the Mainline Churches Make Sense the other day by Mark Driscoll and I almost fell out of my chair. I basically decided it wasn't worth my time to comment, nor do I think I need to spend time blogging about it.
As bloggers we all say stuff that maybe we wish we hadn't said. Or we wish we didn't spend as much time as we do picking fights or arguing over things. I know I wish I would keep my mouth shut sometimes. But I just get the feeling Driscoll can't say anything without almost always going over the top and painting with large brush strokes as he categorizes everyone as having bad theology if they aren't in step with his.
The guy is popular and I understand why at times. There have been a lot of things I have really enjoyed reading of his and I liked some of his ideas on church planting, culture, missional living, etc. But lately, I just don't get him. He comes out almost all the time just to offend. That's just the feeling I get.
I wasn't going to blog about this, and then I read Adam's post and the comments on this. And, I get the impression that Zach is not real thrilled with this issue either.
Hey, I work at a church that is Presbyterian Church USA. And I will be honest. It's a crazy time right now in this denomination and I'm not happy with the way things are going myself. But to classify all Presbyterian churches or Episcopal, or whatever, seems to be irresponsible in a lot of ways. I don't mind talking about mainline denomations, or Bible Churches, or Non-Denominational Churches, or Emerging Churches, or whatever. I think I'm just turned off by the tone, which is a shame because I think Driscoll has a huge audience.
And frankly, I'm turned off by the tone I have used on this blog at times as well. I am just beginning to wonder if we as Christians, and those of us who blog, really throw away great opportunities to converse with one another, to open up dialogue across religious and denominational lines. To learn from each other. To challenge each other. To work with one another for a common goal. Yet, we tend to throw it all away because we would much rather pick fights, argue and take jabs at others.
Driscoll has a lot of influence, but it's primarily in certain conservative, Bible churches. Yet, if he wasn't picking fights with everyone I think he could really have an impact in other spheres of the church.
Hey. I'm learning myself.
Posted by rhett at August 23, 2006 11:45 PM
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Thanks man for that post. I read Driscoll's post too and I think I get the frustration he may be feeling at watching churches step away from Biblical truths, but I think you're right about the tone. I felt the same way after reading it. I think when we attack and criticize, we miss out on opportunities to talk and help each other grow or grow ourselves.
Paul
Posted by: paulhaguen
at August 24, 2006 01:52 AM
I think Mark will be Mark and sometimes colourful language like that is what pricks a jaded audience to reaction. Jesus spoke strongly against the Pharisees and Sadduccees as a party even though there were godly ones like Gamaliel among their number. When we in Asia read about the Episcopalian and Presbyterian decisions it really saddens and anger our heart and we pray that God will be merciful and the godly amongst them will rise up in courage and wisdom. Just an outside opinion.
Posted by: Kenny Chee
at August 24, 2006 03:57 AM
I find it interesting that Pastor Driscoll writes a post that a few folks in the TR section of the blogosphere really like, and yet you have a distaste for it. I'm not making a judgment call or anything - I'm just pointing that out. I don't think Pastor Driscoll is picking fights as much as responding to problems he sees in mainline churches, with a special eye towards the Episcopalian and Presbyterian brethren. I think his "ten easy steps" are pretty spot on.
You read what he wrote, right? Then you would have seen that he's not dissing every single mainline church out there, but "the most left-leaning end of mainline Protestant Christianity."
Posted by: GoodBrownie
at August 24, 2006 04:49 AM
Good Brownie,
I read his article, several times. And I suppose it comes down to how you define "liberal mainline churches" in someone's mind. For example, is the church I work at www.belairpres.org a "liberal mainline church"....for Driscoll I would say yes. One of the reasons I would say yes is because we have women ordained to the ministry of the Word and Sacrament at our church. So though I don't view my own church as liberal, I would have to lump myself in that category under Driscoll's views. We may not fit a lot of the other categories that Driscoll mentions (i.e., the ordination of a gay or lesbian), but I'm sure many of our views on Scripture and theology would differ.
I have always been intrigued by Driscoll, that's why I have his blog on my blog links. But I have felt recently that he is sometimes more "shock" than "substance." Meaning, there is substance in what he says, but the shock takes priority over what he says, and keeps many from even hearing what he has to say.
And like I said above. I'm guilty of picking fights or pointing fingers at others as well. But I've been realizing, all that does is draw the ire of some section of the blogosphere, especially the TR section. If I mention something that I take issue with, with Piper or MacArthur. Wow! Watch the emails fly in. But somehow conversation and a change for understanding is shut off.
I was interested in this exchange below on another site, regarding Driscoll. Months earlier he praises Schuller's church, even though he (Driscoll) was the only speaker there who was probably theologically conservative and not part of the mainline denominations. But then a few months later he is blasting these churches.
http://centuri0n.blogspot.com/2006/08/especially-to-spite-i-monk.html
http://theresurgence.com/lunch_with_schullers
Anyways. Thanks for the comment. Looking forward to more chats.
Posted by: Rhett Smith
at August 24, 2006 12:16 PM
would Jesus really wear purple trunks?
Posted by: Zach
at August 31, 2006 02:22 AM
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