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December 20, 2005
Please read the primary source/book if you are going to have a critical comment about something.....and the blog site Emergent No.
I usually try and stay out of any blogging wars, or ongoing debates, which seem to take up a lot of energy and creativity, and which usually end up going nowhere. I find that most bloggers could care less about spending time in these battles, and prefer to continue to just blog away, promoting their views, or those of others that they espouse.
As a blogger, everyone is free to post what they want (within the law of course), and to have their own opinions.
But I want to ask a favor. I would like those who have a real strong opinion on another blogger, writer, book, etc., to have at least engaged in the original source material.
For example, if you are going to have an opinion on say, Rob Bell's book, Velvet Elvis, than you better have read the book yourself, and not simply be regurgitating the words of others. Sure, you could not read the book, and still have an opinion, and it may be a good one, but I think it's quite ridiculous when someone is critical of another person, yet hasn't read the book themselves, or taken time to interact with original source material.
Another example is when I hear people talking about Karl Barth, insisting that he is a universalist, but when you ask them if they have ever read anything by Barth, the answer is no. Usually what has happened is that they have read someone, maybe a pastor, who has read another theologian, who has an opinion on Barth. So by that time, this person isn't even interacting with primary or secondary source material, but rather with a bunch of people who think they know a lot about Barth, but who have never read a lick of Church Dogmatics themselves.
These examples can go on and on. Those who already have Henri Nouwen pegged as some new agey, Buddhist inspired, non-Christian, simply because he was Catholic and influenced by Thomas Merton.
And on and on it goes....please people. You can have opinions, but if you are going to argue and fight tooth and nail over an issue, then please read the original material, and develop your own thoughts, rather than simply parroting the words and writings of others, who possibly haven't read the original material themselves as well.
Why do I bring this up now? Well, there is a site I frequent pretty often. Not because I agree with anything they say, because I don't. But rather because I am always interested in other's perspectives on certain topics, and these three women are very interesting in the agenda they have chosen and the methods by which they organize their blog. The site is Emergent No, and is what is says. An anti-emergent site. They are free to do this and those who are anti-emergent will find plenty of material to fuel their fires.
I am of the opinion that Emergent is an important voice in theological circles, and church life, because they bring up important issues that need to be discussed, but no one is talking about. They are not the saviors, nor do I believe that they think that either. But even movements or reformations that we disagree with can still raise valuable issues. And even though I pastor in a college group, in a presbyterian church, I would consider myself a friend of Emergent, and enjoy the many relationships that I have with those in that community.
Just yesterday, Emergent No posted this blog on Rob Bell.
They quote Rob Bell in an article as saying this:
"What do you do when you can hear the room filling up with thousands of people who are expecting you to give them words from God, and you don't even know if it is true anymore?"
This quote actually comes from Bell's book. They basically take this quote to show that Bell is not fit to be a pastor according to the standards of I Timothy 3:2-7.
Did I miss something here. Is Bell breaking one of the requirements of I Timothy 3:2-7 because of this statement? They go on to say this, In case you wondered if I took that out of context from the message Bell is trying to relay:
followed by this quote,
"It's an appealing picture, though Bell takes it in surprising directions. For one, he suggests that you can doubt a doctrine or two -- say, the Virgin Birth of Jesus -- and still be a good Christian."
Okay, so let me get this straight. They take a quote from Rob Bell's book, which they basically pulled out of an article...and from that, they determine his "fitness" to be a pastor. And to back up their argument, and to prove that their points are not out of context, they quote another snippet from the article, which is the opinion of the writer.
So get this. They come to their view, and are willing to criticize this guy to death, because of an article they read. Doesn't sound like they read his book at all. If they had, they would have seen that Bell's statements were referring to a time in his life and ministry when he was really wrestling with his calling, and his theology, but out of that wrestling time came a stronger affirmation of ministry, and of the person of Jesus Christ.
You can not understand the totality of a person, and define them, simply from a one sentence statement that is couched in a book. That sentence hangs on so many other things, and people who read the book, would understand that.
By the way...that statement is written by Bell as he is looking back into the past at his earlier ministry, not a statement referring to some incident that happened last Sunday.
I would hope that all of us would extend the grace to one another to be able to live in the present, rather than hold our pasts against us. Christ seemed to do that with the disciples, and obviously with us.
I think the Church needs more leaders like Rob Bell who are willing to be authentic with those they minister to. That authenticity often leads to a greater and more real affirmation of our faith in Jesus Christ. The other option is that we can pretend like we have no questions, and we move through life like robots, not really living for anything, or having any real belief.
Posted by rhett at December 20, 2005 03:12 PM
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Indeed! Rhett... I think that people don't do the reading because in the back of their minds there is the possibility that something this "Anti-Christ" says will ring true, and they'll become a human being whom God loves and that they can no longer attack. So it's easier to take snippets, to do characitures, to take other people's opinions...
I mean, you should've seen what I'd written about you before I met you! *grin*
Oh, and as a good aside about universalism... a professor remarked the other day that there's a fine line between limited atonement and universalism and that the church should take care not to break the tension between the two...
Posted by: Don at December 20, 2005 04:58 PM
Rhett,
I read this article as well, and felt just as disturbed as you. I totally agree with your post here. That article flat out misrepresented Rob Bell. Which makes you wonder where EmergentNo draws the line between "contending for the faith", as they so see themselves doing, and an attempt at character assassination. Looks like they are more influenced by post-modern literary criticm than they think being that they can infuse new meaning into the authors words while ignoring the intent and context.
-Brian
Posted by: Brian LePort at December 20, 2005 10:24 PM
Amen Rhett! And as for the Barth stuff...I tried...and it was beaten into me on the other coast...and I even bought the "assigned" reading...and even made attempts...I now have my unfinished Barth section in my office....I just couldn't stay awake...one day I will finish them. hehe. How about Barth on CD????
Posted by: KC at December 21, 2005 10:06 AM
Good post Rhett, I featured it on SmartChristian.com
Posted by: Andy Jackson at December 21, 2005 06:41 PM
Hey Rhett- Great post. I think unfortunately you wno't get anywhere with that crowd. I have found in my brief interaction on that site that the response you will get is negative. My opinion is that you don't want to waste to much time getting them to think and or agree or even to chastize them. It seems in this debate that we write things that our side agrees with and they write things that their side agrees with and then we all pat each other on the back. But, no real conversation or healthy discussion happens. Anyways Merry Christmas my Emerging friend.
Posted by: Lars Rood at December 22, 2005 07:57 AM
Lars,
I realize that you don't get anywhere with the Emergent No people....it's just so obvious that they don't read any of the material themselves (any of the books by these authors, etc), but rather, everything is regurgitated from comments or articles they find from other people...and who knows if they are reading it either. You can do that....but you need to have at least read the material. They won't.....I would rather spend my time moving towards positive transformations in the church, than debate them over and over again.
later,
rhett
Posted by: Rhett Smith at December 23, 2005 11:01 AM
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